Help contribute to IMDb. Unidentified Woman #11: I love them very much. Mr. BAGBY: By this time we're pretty damn sure she's complete. you have anywhere to put that, or that Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Not yet. The only thing about his life that didn't make sense to some friends and family was his relationship with that doctor from Newfoundland, the one he'd started dating when going to medical school there. Did. This is how Kuenne represents his emotion at hearing the news that the woman who killed his friend had also killed his friends son. This couple have endured more grief and pain that most people will endure in a lifetime. Turner shot Bagby two days after he broke up with her at a Pennsylvania airport as she was set to fly back to Iowa. Dear Zachary is now available on DVD! And that's when it all hit the fan, I guess. I'm just looking for somebody to hang out with and have fun here in school.' Mr. BAGBY: He's now engaged to this lovely girl, and he's going to go to med school. Zachary, I love you, baby. Sharing voices. There are things to do, he said, and they try to enjoy life as much as possible. MORRISON: As Kurt tracked down Andrew's friends for the documentary he was making, he discovered that not a one had anything favorable to say about Shirley. Andrew was found dead Nov. 5, 2001 in a state park just outside Latrobe, PA, where he was a resident in the local hospitals family medicine programme. The couple was also involved in a support group for parents of murdered children and sat through three murder trials to try and help other surviving parents deal with their incredible grief. Mr. SHEARS: It seemed like it to me, yeah. Keith Morrison reports. Bill C-464 was introduced in the House of Commons on October 22, 2009, passed the House of Commons unanimously on March 22nd of this year and passed the Senate of Canada last Thursday, December 9th, where it was sponsored by Senator Tommy Banks of Alberta. Woman #11: Doesn't matter what happened. The psychotic bitch.) The bullets in Bagbys body were of the same type that Turner had used at a shooting range shortly before, in a gun she had recently purchased. In that time, it also becomes clear that Andrews fate is in danger of also becoming his sons. I got to see what happens to the bastard who did this. There won't be any question about whether she can hurt, MORRISON: Coming up, as David Bagby wrestles with these terrible. Mr. BAGBY: I think it was a rage at the person who did this. Kate answered the phone, and she couldn't get off the phone for an hour. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I was really upset when you took him today, because I feel like I did the day you saw him at Unified Family Court. Corporal GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, Dr. Turner, I'm Corporal Gardner with the Pennsylvania State Police. KATE: So this man said to me, `Do you know that Shirley Turner's pregnant with your son's child? Asked if he would have done anything different back then, David replies, kill Shirley Turner.. He says his mother was so often, unavailable, especially from the time she started medical school. Mr. KUENNE: I vowed to collect every memory for you before they, MORRISON: As for Andrew's parents, David and Kate, they were, (Graduation photo of Andrew, Kate and David; Shirley with child). David and Kate Bagby must have been saints to have had to tolerate personal dealings with their only child's murderess,and basically have to groval to her to even see their precious only-ever grandchild.Yet,they did whatever they could for the sake of Zachary.Most people (myself included) would have made away with Shirley Turner the first chance The Bagbys, who recently marked their 50th wedding anniversary, say it sustained them for nearly a decade as they struggled to come to terms first with the 2001 slaying of their 28-year-old son, Dr. Andrew Bagby, and later with the murder of Andrew's son, 13 . All rights reserved, Click here for information on becoming a member. He was like, `Eh, mm.' Home video captured what looked like a. typical domestic scene, but beneath these happy images lies a darker truth. to live with his father in a tiny coastal village hundreds of miles away. On Nov. 5, Kate, who is originally from England, pictures Turner sitting on top of a Guy Fawkes bonfire and her family all around it with fireworks. Also, by popular demand, a new printing of David Bagby's book "Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss" featuring Dear Zachary's poster art on its cover is now in stores. The bill, if passed into law later this year, would justify detention in custody for those accused of a serious crime who are a potential danger to their own children under the age of 18. You were done. MORRISON: Andrew Bagby. I'm just curious Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, and I wanted to know for safety. Kate went to the floor, and I kicked the door and--oh, we, just--just like with Andrew, there's nothing you can do. What if she is backed in a. corner? The apparent culprit was a woman named Shirley Turner, whom Bagby had dated but had broken up with on November 4th, in Latrobe, just before putting her on a plane to Council Bluffs, Iowa, where she lived at the time. Now armed with a powerful tool, "Dear Zachary: A Letter, to a Son about his Father," the tribute film Kurt Kuenne started making, first. Former Production Manager at Mountain Gospel Radio. A Kate Bagby is an Advisory Member at Mothers Against Murder based in Los Altos, California. But before that could happen, Shirley was apparently deemed neither, dangerous nor a flight risk and almost immediately released on bail, most of, it posted by one of her mentors from med school, a psychiatrist to whom she'd, gone for treatment after Andrew's murder. Imagine it. It was all incorrect from the beginning, that all this, innocence and everything she's told you was a lie. Click HERE for assistance. But their efforts to. Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) (Unintelligible). (Photo of Shirley; Zachary; photo of Shears and Zachary), Mr. SHEARS: There was a conversation one time she had with me and Erica, in, regards to if something ever happened to her and she had to go to jail or. | Learn more about Tessa Bagby's work experience, education . in honor of his beloved friend Andrew, and then for Andrew's son, Zachary. (Kate and Zachary; judge in court; Shirley being escorted from court), Mr. KUENNE: I don't know. In the end, she died, but love did not. We had to pack up Zachary, Mr. BAGBY: We just climbed right back upstairs and went to bed and melted. MORRISON: And ultimately she sent him away, with no forewarning. Mr. BAGBY: She told the court she was afraid we would harm the baby. MORRISON: It's no easy thing to be a doctor in America. The upbeat music stops and a little boy who speaks in that lispy slow muckle-mouthed way little boys do, asks, Why did Andrew get killed?. Kate said Shirley insisted on keeping Zachary in, the deep pool, which frustrated him because he couldn't move on his own. Mr. SIMPSON: Things people should know about Andrew, he was never late. After the shooting, according to Kate, Turner called her claiming she was trying to reach Andrew. would be the difference if one person weren't alive? But he was accepted here, St. John's, Newfoundland, the easternmost point in North America. This film was no longer a letter to you, Unidentified Man #23: Well, everybody always says, well, what. Mr. SHEARS: She's kind of reliving a university life again. (Shirley in court; Supreme Court of Newfoundland sign), Mr. BAGBY: And then they started slogging through the courts with one issue, MORRISON: In the meantime, Andrew's parents made a momentous. The Bagbys prove it is possible for a woman to kill your child and for you to forge a civil relationship with that woman in order to protect another. Are you having a good day with grandmom and. (David speaking to reporters; Kate speaking to reporters; David on radio show; "Dear Zachary" poster; Kurt editing video; photo of Andrew; photo of Zachary; Mr. KUENNE: I almost gave up making this film when you were, killed. We send a huge thanks to MP Scott Andrews, his assistant Ken Carter, MP Peter Stoffer, Senator Tommy Banks, his assistant Thrse Gauthier, Gord McIntosh and all those in Parliament who have seen across party lines and supported this bill to honor Andrew & Zachary and help prevent a recurrence of our story. She was coming here to take care of me. MORRISON: Zachary fell asleep in his car seat. Woman #9: to make that journey was awful. MORRISON: Ah, but there was a lot to say about Andrew. Welcome back toCold Comforts, a recurring column in which Soraya Roberts writes about the grim, harrowing, and downright bizarre movies and television shows that she nevertheless cant stop watching, over and over again. Kurt Kuenne's acclaimed orchestral score for "Dear Zachary", nominated for Best Documentary Score of 2008 by the International Film Music Critics Association, is now available on CD and for digital download. After arriving home, she drove 900 miles back to Pennsylvania to kill the man who rejected her. But they also contribute to the feeling of watching something urgent and unmediated. KATE: Ah, it was wonderful. Kate & David Bagby will now be called as witnesses before the committee, the bill will be revised and strengthened, and eventually brought back into the House and Senate for a vote. put Zachary on her lap to open presents, and he resists. And the comfort they personify can be found in the fact that even in the face of Shirley Jane Turner, they not only continue, they remain good while continuing. . This is the kind of couple, themselves beloved by hundreds, that produces the kind of son who is beloved by hundreds. Kate & David Bagby will now be called as witnesses before the committee, the bill will be revised and strengthened, and eventually brought back into the House and Senate for a vote. May 16, 2008: KATE: I thought, `Well, God, this is it.' It turns out Shirley owned a .22 caliber handgun, which she acquired while living in Iowa. We would've done handstands and cartwheels to. I only live a block away.' MORRISON: Shirley, meanwhile, seemed to be preparing for her, extradition, and perhaps she was looking for a way to exclude the Bagbys from. It was for custody of their grandchild who looked exactly like his father that they moved to the city of their sons killer. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Are you sure? He seems to be talking about the unfathomable grief Shirley Jane Turner left behind. Memorial University Medical School. MORRISON: The girl was Heather, also an aspiring doctor. MORRISON: How'd you feel about having a much younger brother come, Mr. SHEARS: I thought it was great. Said, `Oh, no, I really can't.'. Creating stronger communities. MORRISON: Coming up, a knock at the door, and then the news. And now it's just. And Kate kissed him and held him and kissed him some more. -, "It's Kate and David Bagby who are the moral center of this film. It stays so close to Bagby and to the people who loved him that theres never any question that its their side of the story being recounted. ', KATE: (Audio recording) Yeah. We were kind of like, `Well, we're not the best ones to be taking care of a child.' When police interviewed the hospital staff Mr. SIMPSON: I said, `Well, you don't have to look far.' They quit their jobs and moved from California to Newfoundland. Wait, thats not true, Sophocles came up with it when he wrote Oedipus Rex about a king who unwittingly fulfills a prophecy that foretold he would kill his father and marry his mother, and then pokes out his own eyes because hes in despair and you cant outrun destiny. Not too long ago? Much of this DATELINE report incorporates material from Kurt's documentary, as well as something else: the childhood films he made as he taught himself his craft. -Drafted and finalized press releases, articles, annual reports, websites, earnings releases and investor . STORY CONTINUES BELOW THESE SALTWIRE VIDEOS. (Photo of Shirley, Kate and Zachary; photo of Shirley, David and Zachary; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I just want your word that I'm going to, know where he's at, like any babysitter, you know, if you're going to take him, anywhere, just say, `Shirley, we're going to run out and do this. The legal system helped her kill Zachary. David and Kate Bagby moved to St. John's. They forged a relationship with the woman they believed killed their son so they could see Zachary, their only grandchild. Was it a tight bond? David and Kate Bagby channeled their grief & anguish into changing some Canadian laws. Dear Zachary was named one of the top 5 documentaries of 2008 by the National Board of Review! This film will be one of the best you're likely to see this year." Previously, Kate was a Founder & Executive Director at Read More Kate Bagby's Phone Number and Email Last Update 11/14/2022 10:26 AM Email k***@mothersagainstmurder.org Engage via Email Contact Number (***) ***-**** Engage via Phone Mobile Number Its hard to imagine a well-crafted rendition being as powerful.). Every last person who steps foot into a theater to see this will walk away changed. Kurt Kuennes 2008 documentary, Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father, deserves a second look, especially in light of the recent popularity of true-crime programs like Serial and Making a Murderer., Photograph courtesy Oscilloscope Pictures / Everett. We dont do anything related to murder anymore, he said. And he'd be like(turns. So we called, and he came over and told us that Zachary and Shirley were. -. I extend my deepest thanks and greatest respect to MP Scott Andrews, his associate Ken Carter, Senator Tommy Banks, his executive assistantThrse Gauthier, MP Peter Stoffer, Senator Anne Cools, Gord McIntosh and everyone in Parliament who saw across party lines to support this bill's passage into law. Mr. SIMPSON: You don't need to go out with a woman because you can't think you can do better. . It wasn't just to monitor the, extradition process. For one thing, Shirley, required the Bagbys to bring Zachary to visit her once a week in jail. A security guard reported hearing a. Mr. SHEARS: When we woke up in the morning, realized they weren't there. Mr. BAGBY: We first got to see him personally in family court. Office Manager. Serious crime is rare in this country. Then, upon. This is not the worst instance in this story of someone seeing something bad coming but not being able to stop it. This documentary starts out like a love letter. Even during his stilted summaries of events, you can sometimes hear Kuenne choking up. Check your local listings for channel info. They should have been given custody of Zachary to begin with. And then we'd do it through the lawyers. Mommy misses you. They are warm. Ensure local journalism stays in your community by purchasing a membership today. Troutman Funeral Home is assisting the Bagby family. They were somewhat successful with the passing of Bill C-464 in December 2010 with the added clause that bail could be denied if it was deemed necessary for the protection of anyone under the age of 18. CONTRIBUTED BY DAVID AND KATE BAGBY Sixteen years have passed but for the Bagbys the story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. Read the DocuWeek Q&A with writer/director/composer Kurt Kuenne HERE. kind of the only way that this little boy is going to get to know his dad. In initial questioning, Turner claimed to have been home sick in Iowa when Bagby was shot, but cell-phone records showed her placing calls along the thousand-mile highway route between Council Bluffs and Latrobe in the days before and after the murder. Believing that even where there is evil, there is also a tremendous amount of good." Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father sounds like the kind of movie I would never want to see, which is why it took me so long to actually see it. And he was crying, so I went into the ladies room and sat there, KATE: Made her very angry. For an optimal experience visit our site on another browser. Someone found a car that didn't belong. He was such a good baby. Purchase the book here: Amazon USA | Amazon Canada, To read more reviews, visit our Press Archive, ZACHARY'S BILL (BILL C-464) BECOMES LAW IN CANADA, (Click HERE to read a letter to viewers from David & Kate Bagby.). Mr. SHEARS: I can remember being really upset and pissed off about that, happening because I had--I had friends here, and I had no time to tell anybody, basically why. How do you represent the fact that when you see a crime coming from a mile away you still cant do anything to stop it? October 22, 2009: March 18, 2008: How do you represent anguish of that magnitude without turning it into a Greek tragedy? (A number of his male friends say that they asked, or would have asked, him to be their best man.) MORRISON: In Kurt Kuenne's documentary, Clark Simpson, one of Andrew's close friends at the hospital, remembers that November morning just two weeks later when Shirley surprised Andrew again. Bring lots of kleenex and prepare to be equally angry and emotionally drained as you watch real, so-called justice in action. You can't tell them this over the phone. Well, you dont have to look far, said Dr. T. Clark Simpson, who worked with Bagby. It's great. Cpl. MORRISON: Coming up, Andrew dead. KATE: I knew exactly what my son looked at before he died. I--we both did. I had a job I loved. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I have to tell you that Andrew is dead. With that kind of goodness, there is no limit to the possibility of transcending all manner of evil. Zachary's life, even talking to her eldest son and his girlfriend about it. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) He is too happy, Kathleen. news about his mother and baby brother, and was slammed with instant blowback. don't have these meltdowns and emotional scenes. 7:30 I'll be at your house.'. It also recently screened at the Calgary International Film Festival and the Edmonton International Film Festival to standing ovations from Canadian audiences, where it inspired many audience members to write their Parliament in support of bail reform. MP Andrews was inspired to create Bill C-464 after seeing Dear Zachary for the first time in March; he and Senator Tommy Banks distributed DVDs of Dear Zachary to every member of the House of Commons for their review immediately following the December 4th discussion. We need each other, have each other to get through this, added David. Mr. BAGBY: What a flake. We thought of him as a hostage, said David. ', MORRISON: When Dr. Andrew Bagby's bullet-riddled corpse was, found in a Pennsylvania state park in November 2001, his devastated parents. But he was moved to honor his friend the best way he knew how, by making a film. You can reach out to David Bagby-cantu via phone number 915-383-8358. Zachary didn't seem like. In Los Angeles - August 22-28 at the Arclight Hollywood, 6360 Sunset Blvd. (Sea at night; photo of Shirley and Zachary; autopsy report; photo of man; photo of Shirley and Zachary; Zachary sleeping; David and Kate), Mr. BAGBY: Kate just quit. And she followed Andrew to St. John's.. How else do you represent almost virtually the same crime happening back to back despite the hindsight in between?
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