The ammunition situation is a little better than the rifles. My .375 H&H seemed quite adequate. Too bad Ingemar Johansson was not so well equipped. Ive seen many elk taken cleanly with a .270 Winchester, and my own longest shot on an elk was on a big New Mexico bull at 400 yards using a .270 Winchester with a 150-grain Nosler Partitionone step and down. zero-we see that contrary to popular belief, a 35-caliber can be a long-range cartridge. The parent of this cartridge is the .30-06 Springfield, which is necked-up to accept a bullet diameter of .358 in (9.1 mm).This cartridge is more powerful than its parent, especially in killing power on large game. is still not burning up the sales records, so maybe ahead of its time is the wrong description. The big case certainly made its reputation with the 250-grain bullets, as their sectional density gives excellent penetration on even the heavy-boned animals, and the .358 Norma can push them to a muzzle velocity of 2750 fps. With its spitzer-pointed bullets, the .358 is a good medium- to long-range cartridge with capabilities out to 250 yards on big game. Nosler offers the .350 Rem. can drive the same weight bullet a bit faster. The classic .350 Rigby Magnum load pushes a .358-inch diameter 225-grain bullet to a muzzle velocity of 2625 fps for 3,440 ft.-lbs. After ten years of not getting drawn I sold it it was too much gun for most of my hunting. all were more powerful-and may have been excellent hunting cartridges-but they are gone; rejected by the shooting public and banished to the junk heap of obsolescence. Synthetic wins over laminate because laminates, strongest of all, are also heaviest. It has never failed me. That year, Remington also brought out the Model 673 Guide Gun in .350 Rem Mag. From the Green Goblin (a bolt-action rifle I built on a Remington action), both will produce groups that are sub-minute-of-angle. The .357 Magnum revolver cartridge has also gained considerable popularity as a combination rifle/pistol cartridge and lever action rifles for the .357 Magnum sell pretty well. Don't like Rugers much had my fill of them and now they are gone down the road. This is basically a deer and black bear (CXP2 class game) cartridge, although it is reputed to be superior to cartridges in the .30-30 class for game weighing over about 400 pounds. was introduced in 1955. I did secure properly head stamped Norma cases thinking we'd need them going over into the Yukon (no one ever checked). With todays interest in long-range shooting, big scopes are in, but powerful scopes add weight. The 35 whelen and 358 winchester were the two I was torn between. The 338/06 when compared to the .35 Whelen only beats it with the lighter bullets and not by much. But the .416 is certainly not the only cartridge to bear the Rigby surname; read the works of Walter Dalrymple Maitland Karamoja Bell, or Col. Jim Corbett and the .275 Rigbybetter known as the 7x57mm Mauserwill get all sorts of praise. It was predictable that the .356 Win. The .35-caliber cartridges usually top out at 250 grains, though if a 300-grain bullet at a slightly faster twist rate were employed, it would certainly be in the same class as the .375 Holland & Holland. Is the .358 Norma Magnum a cartridge destined to make a huge comeback? Bertram Brass from Australia is a good source when you can get it, and Quality Cartridge makes a run of .350 Rigby every few years, but you could be waiting a considerable amount of time. I had the privilege of spending some time with a 1917 vintage take-down Rigby-Mauser rifle while on a hunt in Scotland, and the words sweet shooting came quickly to mind. And those sentiments can be an awful lot of fun. In the shooting sports we call that reaction recoil or "kick." has been offered in just about every rifle action type ever conceived and a few handguns. factory load is a 250-grain Oryx bullet listed with a muzzle velocity of 2723 f.p.s. I have a .356 Win. it is one nice gun and made for tight places. [1] plowed fresh ground. was also the only cartridge of that original Remington family that was based on a different parent case. Mag. The main problem with such potent cartridges is that they kick hard in rifles light enough to carry all day in steep places. I'd go with the 35 whelen. Spl. The Remington Model 673 Guide Rifle was chambered in .350 Rem. Any of these will handle just about any big game one might hunt with a .358 Norma, where you want to employ its ample knockdown power. Remington currently lists a Model 7 rifle with a 20-inch barrel; todays version of the 600 in .350 Rem. So if you have a .375 (or larger) and a yen to take it elk hunting, be my guest. Food for thought, is it not? The recent introduction of a Hornady LeverEvolution factory load for the .35 Remington has usefully improved its ballistics. Being able to take off the scope and work with iron sights, using cast bullets or light jacketed bullets, adds an entirely new dimension to the rifle. Have all three, and have not shot any of em My medium is a 9,3x62. Mag.-all with a bigger, heavier bullet that will punch a bigger hole and penetrate deeper. Norma offers factory ammunition, E.R. To reach the .300 mark, youd need a 270-grain bullet (the North Fork and Woodleigh bullets come immediately to mind), but stabilization becomes an issue in the slower twists, and thats long been a problem in .35-caliber barrels. Throw a belt on the .35 Newton and you couldnt tell the difference three feet away. The .35's are just plain superior for CXP3 class game. I have needed to reach 400 yards, but never a whole bunch farther. Tried and true. So, if you have an interest in carrying an ultra-rare cartridge of impeccable pedigree, you either roll your own or have someone load it for you. with a similar 180-grain bullet. From limited experience of loading for two different 358 Norma Magnum rifles (a Schultz & Larson Model 65 and a Custom Sako AV) I used to neck up new Winchester 338 Win. In more recent times, the 1994 release of the .450 Rigby gave dangerous game hunters a bit more bullet weight than the .416 Rigby and has developed a small but devout following among both professional hunters and their clients alike. The nearest of any to the .358 Norma was the .35 Newton, which it closely resembles. figure of 0.300 is desirable, and comparing similar cartridges, youll see the .350 Rigby comes in a bit behind the other popular choices of the day. Todays Norma factory ammunition is loaded with the companys excellent bonded-core 250-grain Oryx. lbs. The Whelen is a more sensible choice, but the Rigby isnt about sensibility, its about nostalgia and a connection to a bygone age. This list gives some idea of the .358 Normas status today: Those rifles rarely seem to come on the market. That load has a maximum optimal range on 1000 pound game (like a big Alaskan moose or brown bear) of 151 yards. Thats a question I just dont understand. Opening up a boltface on a standard action is NOT a difficult job for a decent gunsmith and does not affect the strength or viability of the action one WHIT. I did kill a ton of squirels with pistol bullets and a little 700X, it would shoot little cloverleafs at 50 yrds. So are the .350 Remington Magnum and .358 Norma Magnum. By and large, we shooters seem to gravitate to the middle of the road; to bland, yet predictable, mediocrity. Original Schultz & Larsens had substantial freebore to keep pressures down, and Normas specifications for the cartridge called for it. up to 0.358 inches and dubbed it the poor mans magnum.. 9.3x62 boots 320gr Woodleigh protected points and weldcore round noses out at 2400 fps with RL-17. So, I've hunted elk with less ambitious rounds. Why the .35 Rem. The sad truth is that the active list of current .35-caliber rifles and cartridges is tragically short. Can Coolers | An Official Journal Of The NRA, Find More Great NRA Publications Perfect For Every Interest, Discover Everything That The NRA Has To Offer. The .358 Norma Mag. Frankly, I would not want to be without them. My 8mm Remington Magnum was stocked in dense walnut and had a long barrel. An elk offers a large target, so extreme magnification shouldnt be necessary. Kevin Steele, Publisher of Petersen's HUNTING talks with JJ Reich of HEVI-Shot about the new offerings for 2023. Fusion Ammo has a 200-grain with a muzzle velocity of 2800 f.p.s. Now, I have to go out on a limb and say that sensible elk cartridges aren't all about power. Thinking of a medium bore with a bit of thump.9.3 x 62 holds some exotic mystique for me being its use on African large game but I am thinking realistically .366 cant be that much of an advantage over .358 can it? One can almost hear the echoes of Norma Mag. Publisher, Kevin Steele is with Brett Marquardt from Streamlight Inc. discussing the new Streamlight Pro Tac 2.0, the latest edition in the Pro Tac series. Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. The quest for an acceptable .35 has inspired such impotent wastes as the .35 Winchester Self Loader, once labeled a candidate for the title: Worlds Most Useless Center-Fire Rifle Cartridge.. In a letter written to friend Townsend Whelen during early 1920s, Leslie Simpson-- one of the first Americans to become a professional hunter in Africa--opined that the hunting world needed a .35 caliber cartridge . The .35 Whelen is accurate, hits hard, penetrates deep, shoots flat and recoils mildly. offered the performance level of the .358 Win. Pet Loads and Handloader are registered trademarks of Wolfe Publishing Company. The Hornady Superformance load for the .35 Whelen launches a 200-grain bullet at a blistering. It never got up. Quite a difference! The cartridge would be championed by Denys Finch Hatton (of Out of Africa fame), John Pondoro Taylor and Pete Pearson, and would be used by Baron Bror von Blixen-Fineke as well. While I generally prefer the former over the latter, I think that both choices are effective. Since lack of a gas seal in a low-pressure load is more of a nuisance than a danger, it can be ignored if you dont mind the soot. Shaw rifle's 24-inch barrel.. The 600 Magnum suffered from a barrel that was too short at 18 inches. This means that the momentum of a rifle's reaction will exactly equal the momentum of the bullet and powder gasses ejected from the barrel. A 358Norma is a good fit for this action. But there is no compelling reason to consider a caliber larger than .35. The .308 Winchester is a fine elk cartridge, and the grand old .30-06, with a bit more velocity and energy, is better. The major problem with light loads is getting enough pressure to provide a good gas seal. They have almost all abandoned the cartridge. I'm sending my 270 tikka off to JES rebore to get it punched out to 35 whelen. There is certainly no lack of .358-inch diameter bullets to choose from but brass is limited. and .358 Norma Mag.). My favorite hunting round. Posts: 46,063. The .358 Norma Magnum is a rifle cartridge introduced in 1959 by Norma. There was a time when I questioned the adequacy of the .270 for elk. The .35 Whelen is a powerful medium-bore rifle cartridge that does not require a magnum action or a magnum bolt-face. The .358 has 24 percent more energy at the muzzle than the .300 Win. Ive obviously left the door wide open. and the 6.5 mm Rem. Elk hunting can be extremely physicalnot only steep country, but also altitude and sometimes deep snow to buck. Campfire 'Bwana. I wont go so far as to say thats foolish, but theres a major difference in size and toughness between a cow or spike and a mature bull. As it was released in the first century of the . Honestly, Ive taken as many elk with the .30-06 as with any other cartridge, and the farthest at 350 yards was no problem. Mag. Mark Bansner is making one for me: synthetic stock on a left-hand Sako action. Mag. . That load actually produced 2825 f.p.s. I have used the .35 Whelen on critters from bobcats to moose. I would never argue that a .243 Winchester with a good bullet placed well, or certainly a .25-06 with a tough, heavy bullet, cant do the job. I am also looking at building a 358 Norma Mag on a model 110 Savage action, formerly a 300 Win mag, and start from scratch with the stock ( bedding and pillar) and make it a tolerable shooter even if a bit heavy. These are elk cartridges, and as Jack Atcheson Jr. likes to say, the .338 numbs them. As it stands, it is most certainly on the edge of becoming obsolete. It did shine with 148gr Double ended wadcutters over a few grains of 700x shooting clover leaf groups at 50 yards, I used it all fall putting squirrels in the pot. Actual weight depends on subspecies, nutrition, and age, but 600 pounds is a good starting point for grownup bulls and twice the size of an unusually large deer. The .358 Win. Synthetic stocks arent always lighter than wood, but they are stronger and more stable, and elk hunting can be hard on rifles. Equal in importance is that you can hit the elk. In any mass-production rifle, either the .375 or .338, or both, will be found as a standard chambering. Like most of the children of the Holland & Holland parents, the .358 Norma uses its shoulder for headspacing, rather than the belt, as do the .375 and .300 H&H. For the next year, comparisons were inevitable between Johanssons Hammer of Thor and the .358s powerful 250-grain bullet. The .25 Rem., .30 Rem. This was not the factory bullet from the 1960s, with its mild-steel jacket, but a later one. Shaw rifles 24-inch barrel. Oklahoma. Included in that have been a whole bunch of deer, hogs and a bear or two. Though still under construction, Im eager to take the classic cartridge into the hunting fields. Today, rifles can be made very light, but that can also be overdone because light rifles are whippy and hard to control when youre out of breath and have to settle in for a quick shot. Years of development and pushing the limits of what is possible in a rifle optic have led up to this moment. I think Jack OConnor, the great champion of the .270, would agree. If you match the bullet to the game, this is one of the all-time great hunting cartridges. That version is in some dispute, with evidence that Whelen himself developed the cartridge or at least worked with Howe on its development. Since then, I have often recommended medium bores, such as Elmer Keiths favorite .33s, and Ive used the 8mm Remington Magnum a lot. of energy at the muzzle. I have shot a few critters, including a tough South Texas Nilgai, and have been happy with the performance. 358 norma mag is a rarer bird but as I understand fire forming 300 win mag. Kevin Steele stops by the Taurus booth to speak with Cody Osborn about the all new Raging Hunter platform from Taurus International.
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